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Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
« on: July 17, 2012, 11:50:52 PM »
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  • I am curious to hear any stories of any problems with "Muscle" in Sousa.  What I mean by this is.... Envision a scenario whereby you negotiate with the lady a price.  This could happen literally anywhere... the beach, a bar, Classicos, the lobby of New Garden, whatever.  Everything is going great and you retire to your room for the night or a quickie.  When the deed is done they say  "That will be $3,000  DP.   You say "Hey we agreed on $2,000".  She says NO  it's $3000.

    You then say FU and hand or throw her the money basically kicking her out of your room.

    My question is this:  Are there ANY repercussions for the American tourist who does this?  Are there any pimps or other "Muscle" that may visit your room or wait on you to walk down the dark street?  Has anyone felt threatened by the local males in Sousa before?

    Now I am not saying you hit or beat the girl up or harmed her physically in any way.  I'm just saying you did NOT pay her price.

    It is a classic he said she said.....  No proof either way. 

    In my opinion it would not be a smart decision to make a stink out of the situation due to the fact that tourism brings so much money to the area.

    Has anyone had problems such as this?



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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #1 on: July 18, 2012, 12:04:39 AM »
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  • That does happen where the girl will try to ask for me and u have to throw her out but if ur in a hotel like New Garden or rockys or one of the well known minger hotels they all have their cedula so if she causes issues they have that.  Also most girls will not call the police becuase the tourist police will usually side with the tourist for the most part (not all times) but from what i have been told by one of my friends that frequents there 6 times a year.

    I never had that happen to me as of yet. 

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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #2 on: July 18, 2012, 12:15:14 AM »
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  • Never happened to me personally. Not to beat a dead horse but one of the advantages to BB's is a set price.

    It's a good question that you asked. Interested what others have to say about this.

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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #3 on: July 18, 2012, 08:28:44 AM »
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  • It's happened to me. I said $1500, they said $2000.  Maybe I wasn't clear? Maybe they are trying to get over? What do you do? I know and see where this topic is coming from :D

    My opinion is this. If you say no and pay them what you said, and they finally except then cool. If they don't and make it a big argument, just pay it (within reason).  The problem is how do you get them out your room if things start to go sour? I try to pay the outside my room if I notice the convo turning south. 1) you are out the room and can talk in a more public environment. 2) You don't have to physically do anything to get her out, and you can call security while leaving your room secure.

    A small amount of pesos it not worth the hassle of some of the stories I've read of monger problems. Your trip is usually short, so it's not worth the hassel. Pay it move on and live and learn.

    But you can not touch these girls for whatever reason, no matter what occurred. Not to push them out, not to guide them out, not to hit them. You will find yourself with the police at your door if you do.

    Also learn then language. Most problems occur because peeps travel down there and can't speak any Spanish. Know some basic Spanish, get a translator. You have to negotiate beforehand, repeat your price while walking to your room, and finally before you get undressed repeat the agreed upon price  for conformation.

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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #4 on: July 18, 2012, 08:42:20 AM »
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  • Great advice Lindin!!!  Sometimes you are just better off paying it.

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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #5 on: July 18, 2012, 12:58:45 PM »
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  • Like we say in the states " bite the bullet" or "live to fight another day" lol. I swear I'm going to start and write up contracts in Spanish lol short ones consisting of

    I(blank) agree to accept the price of 2500 pesos from (blank)

    Tell her "firma aquĆ­" hahahaha she sign she agree lol
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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #6 on: July 18, 2012, 01:48:27 PM »
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  • If the argument is over 500p then go ahead and pay it ($12),

    It's worth it to get rid of the bitch,

    Hopefully you have pictures of her to post here so you can warn the rest of us.

    Just one of the reasons to get pictures and to write a report!!!!!
    We all just got back and you basters are booking your next trip...LOL

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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #7 on: July 18, 2012, 03:53:34 PM »
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  • Actually I kind of disagree with some of the answers to this.  I expected people to say "Just pay" or "Let it go" or "It's not worth it".

    I would contend that: YES IT IS.

    My scenerio is that you refuse to pay.  My idea is that we get stolen from because WE LET THEM STEAL!!!!!!!!!

    Stop doing this.  What is the recourse?  Are you going to jail?  NO.  Are you gonna get jacked by someone? Probably NOT.  Not trying to get anyone hurt, but if they steal a little from everyone it's a lot.

    My question is that: What happens if you say NO????

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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #8 on: July 18, 2012, 04:09:57 PM »
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    Actually I kind of disagree with some of the answers to this.  I expected people to say "Just pay" or "Let it go" or "It's not worth it".

    I would contend that: YES IT IS.

    My scenerio is that you refuse to pay.  My idea is that we get stolen from because WE LET THEM STEAL!!!!!!!!!

    Stop doing this.  What is the recourse?  Are you going to jail?  NO.  Are you gonna get jacked by someone? Probably NOT.  Not trying to get anyone hurt, but if they steal a little from everyone it's a lot.

    My question is that: What happens if you say NO????

    I have been lucky to have never been in this situation.

    But - this is second hand info so take it as that.  One guy told me that he was involved in this situation.  He refused to pay the addition 600 pesos.  The PN (the cops) were brought around.  He was not threatened with being arrested, but the PN basically said "Give me 400 pesos" - he then gave the chica 200 pesos and kept 200 pesos and told everyone to go away.  And then it was over.

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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #9 on: July 18, 2012, 07:12:53 PM »
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  • That's interesting that the police did that.  I'm not sure the police could "Make" a tourist pay.  If this is illegal or frowned upon anyways (i.e. they come clean Sousa up every year or two) then how can they "Make" you pay for illegal or frowned upon activities.

    There is noone in this world that was there but the girl and you.  The only time I could see you getting in trouble is if it happened multiple times and you were always involved.  I can see that point.  Then you are causing problems; however, if you run into the off chance that the girl is trying to take you for money, my thought is that you not give in.

    I really believe that as long as people give into these women it will continue to happen.  Furthermore noone has the right to complain because you LET it happen.  If someone wants to call the cops over 500 pesos then fine.  For all the cops know she was never even in your room. 

    I still have not heard a real answer to the question as to whether there are pimps either formal or informal that would come after you.  That would be dicey and cause a big disruption hardly worth 500 pesos.
     

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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #10 on: July 18, 2012, 08:19:27 PM »
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    That's interesting that the police did that.  I'm not sure the police could "Make" a tourist pay.  If this is illegal or frowned upon anyways (i.e. they come clean Sousa up every year or two) then how can they "Make" you pay for illegal or frowned upon activities.

    There is noone in this world that was there but the girl and you.  The only time I could see you getting in trouble is if it happened multiple times and you were always involved.  I can see that point.  Then you are causing problems; however, if you run into the off chance that the girl is trying to take you for money, my thought is that you not give in.

    I really believe that as long as people give into these women it will continue to happen.  Furthermore noone has the right to complain because you LET it happen.  If someone wants to call the cops over 500 pesos then fine.  For all the cops know she was never even in your room. 

    I still have not heard a real answer to the question as to whether there are pimps either formal or informal that would come after you.  That would be dicey and cause a big disruption hardly worth 500 pesos.
      the officer can do pretty much as he pleases.  remember, the DR does not have a bill of rights.  the thing is, the officer (weather he realizes or not) was exercising solomons wisdom.  everybody won.  the monger paid 2/3's, the gal only got 1/3 and the cop got his bribe in the process to make things go away. 

    the cop put that solution out there, they guy was just glad to have somebody intervene and the gal not win, the gal knew enough to shut up or else and the cop, like in most times when u come in contact with them, left with some of the dudes money

    that said, in the latin culture the gals understand  a strong hand and firmness in negotiation.  if u arenot  trying to pull anything, (paid what was truthfully negotiated and no extras performed) u state very firmly what u will give her, if she refuses state that is what she agreed to, that is what she is going to get and not a dime more then threaten to call security.  that kind of forcefulness they understand and acquiesce too (but not always.  some gals are just crazy)

    as for pimps, some do, most dont.  they do however have bf's, brothers, etc... if u truly wronged them and try to skip on them expect problems

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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #11 on: July 18, 2012, 11:17:56 PM »
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  • Always negotiate the "doing-da-deed" price with the DR-thirsty-chica uptick in mind!!! ;D Get her down to her lowest negotiated price...but sweeten it on the end by saying some shit like...."1500 pesos is my max price for TLN...but if I am satisfied and wake up with a smile on face in the morning and not my fucking throat slit...there will be a tip in it for you!!" ;D ;D ;D Truthfully...most of these chicas think I am the fucking muscle....sometimes it pays to be aggressive and not act like these bitches are doing you a favor...clear the shit up before you take her ass out the the club or off the street!! ::) I digress...not all of us can have that "...if you fuck with me look...your ass will end up kicking rocks down highway 5 !!"  >:( Now all y'all get in the mirror and show me youre fuckin' WarFace!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
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    That's interesting that the police did that.  I'm not sure the police could "Make" a tourist pay.  If this is illegal or frowned upon anyways (i.e. they come clean Sousa up every year or two) then how can they "Make" you pay for illegal or frowned upon activities.

    There is noone in this world that was there but the girl and you.  The only time I could see you getting in trouble is if it happened multiple times and you were always involved.  I can see that point.  Then you are causing problems; however, if you run into the off chance that the girl is trying to take you for money, my thought is that you not give in.

    I really believe that as long as people give into these women it will continue to happen.  Furthermore noone has the right to complain because you LET it happen.  If someone wants to call the cops over 500 pesos then fine.  For all the cops know she was never even in your room. 

    I still have not heard a real answer to the question as to whether there are pimps either formal or informal that would come after you.  That would be dicey and cause a big disruption hardly worth 500 pesos.


    Dominican policeman do whatever the fuck they want whenever they want to. This is not the US. You don't have the same rights you do here. Picture this: You get separated from your boys in the club, some girl you had a disagreement about tells the cops you did something to her (anything will do for this example). The cops take you in, your boys have no idea where you are, and your in a Dominican holding cell. Now what do you do?   Yeah it's sounds extreme, but this sh!t happens more often than you think. Sometimes a few pesos makes everybody forget about the problem, sometimes it doesn't. The thing is, instead of having fun for your vacation, your dealing with bullsh!t.

    95% of my dealings go smooth, but there's always that one. 500 pesos or $12 to get rid of the bitch so I can enjoy my vacations well worth it. I understand your position on making a stand but sometimes it just ain't worth the hassle.  Sosua is usually a pretty mello place, so pimps, chulos, novios and police aren't trying fuck up the economy and vibe by beating up or threatening tourists. But if an opportunity arises where money can be made, then people are going to try to take advantage of it IMO.

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    Re: Disagreements on Price.... "Muscle Problems"?
    « Reply #13 on: July 18, 2012, 11:26:33 PM »
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  • I guess it's to each his own on this one.  I hope it never happens to me but if so I'm not going to be extorted by the girl or the cops unless it's at gunpoint. I'll just grab the first flight smoking.  I just don't see that happening too much. All it would take is for an American to get killed and it hit the news fucking things up for everyone.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 18, 2012, 11:33:09 PM »
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  • Well see wiredawg can easily pull that shit off with his diesel ass self all buff and shit.  No one is going to mess with him.

    Lindin your 100% i have heard stories like that and not so much now as in the past it was really bad but the goverment has been trying to clean up the corruption thing but it will always be there and like you said if a chica find th right oppurtunity she will try and that is in any country ur in

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  • LMAO!! Wiredogg, while your post is had me dying, you speaks tha truth!!!
    Them chicas can smell blood in the water with the timid dudes that go down there, lol.  The chicas respect confidence, and your right, if you set them straight to begin with then you typically don't have issues. ;D

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    I guess it's to each his own on this one.  I hope it never happens to me but if so I'm not going to be extorted by the girl or the cops unless it's at gunpoint. I'll just grab the first flight smoking.  I just don't see that happening too much. All it would take is for an American to get killed and it hit the news fucking things up for everyone.
      it happens, american, canadians, seems like every year you will see one or two mongers get chewed up and spit out by the local system (kind of vigilante like).   it really doesnt make the splash in the news u might think.  it gets mentioned, some investigation goes on and it shows he was whoring around and did the wrong thing in the wrong place and it kind of becomes case closed.

    the thing is, guys that pay attention to advice that is posted by other mongers typically wont have these  problems (getting jacked over by gal, the popo, etc...) or end up in a body bag because they ended up in the rougher areas of town late night  where they are warned to stay out of.  just need to pay attention, sometimes no matter how badly u wanna open your mouth, keep it shut and most important of all, dont get in a fight.  it WILL be u against them.  them being every dominican in sight.  also a good reason to travel with a wing.   wingman can shut u up, steer u away, etc...  the wing expects u to do the same for him

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    That's interesting that the police did that.  I'm not sure the police could "Make" a tourist pay.  If this is illegal or frowned upon anyways (i.e. they come clean Sousa up every year or two) then how can they "Make" you pay for illegal or frowned upon activities.

    Actually, prostitution is not illegal in the DR.  It might be frowned upon.  And the locals may not like being known as a sex tourism destination.  But they accept it.  And many locals use prostitutes as well. 
    In this case, I do not think the police looked at it as "making the customer pay" but rather as "making this problem go away, so that no one has to take a trip to the police station and all the paperwork over something so trivial".


    I really believe that as long as people give into these women it will continue to happen.  Furthermore noone has the right to complain because you LET it happen.  If someone wants to call the cops over 500 pesos then fine.  For all the cops know she was never even in your room. 

    The chicas will always have different ways to try to get extra money.  They hear the stories of how much money a chica can make in other countries.  They know you are a foreigner.  And so there will always be chicas trying to get more money.  Most of the girls are honest and just take the agreed upon price.  But there will always be some chicas trying to get more when/if they think they can.

    I still have not heard a real answer to the question as to whether there are pimps either formal or informal that would come after you.  That would be dicey and cause a big disruption hardly worth 500 pesos.
    Usually there are not formal pimps - but the chicas have many friends that they can turn to when they need.  And if they have a problem, the friends will help first and ask questions later.  If the problem grows, the other locals will help and be on the side of the Dominicana first.



    Dominican policeman do whatever the fuck they want whenever they want to. This is not the US. You don't have the same rights you do here. Picture this: You get separated from your boys in the club, some girl you had a disagreement about tells the cops you did something to her (anything will do for this example). The cops take you in, your boys have no idea where you are, and your in a Dominican holding cell. Now what do you do?   Yeah it's sounds extreme, but this sh!t happens more often than you think. Sometimes a few pesos makes everybody forget about the problem, sometimes it doesn't. The thing is, instead of having fun for your vacation, your dealing with bullsh!t.

    An example of being delayed by DR police even though I had done nothing:  I had been in the immediate area when a couple of cars started shooting at each other.  One guy was hit in the leg.  The cops were brought in.  I had been parked right in the middle of all of this.  While the cops were questioning people, I decided it was best for me to just leave and stay out of the situation.  Several cops came over and blocked me from leaving.  I did not understand enough Spanish.  I was trying to leave.  They wanted me to get out of the car.  I just wanted to leave.  They made me drive to a police station and wait.  I had to give my passport and driver's license.  I was allowed to wait in the lobby, not in a cell.  But 4 hours later, they decided that I could now go.  That is what happened just for being a witness to a crime.

    Another small example of cops taking a propina as a norm in the DR - many have probably heard about police checks on the highway and the cops letting a car go through if they just give a small propina.  It does happen at times, but I usually just show my papers and play "no espanol" and get waived through.
    But the one I find different is parking on a public street in Santo Domingo.  A cop sees me getting out of my car and he nods "hello".  I go do some shopping.  I return to the car, the cop shows up at the driver side window.  He wants a propina for watching my car and keeping it safe.  This is actually very normal in many places - it might be a cop or a local - but they expect you to give them something for watching your car - 50 pesos is usually ok.


    95% of my dealings go smooth, but there's always that one. 500 pesos or $12 to get rid of the bitch so I can enjoy my vacations well worth it. I understand your position on making a stand but sometimes it just ain't worth the hassle.  Sosua is usually a pretty mello place, so pimps, chulos, novios and police aren't trying fuck up the economy and vibe by beating up or threatening tourists. But if an opportunity arises where money can be made, then people are going to try to take advantage of it IMO.

    Yes - they all are trying to make money for all tourists especially - the shoeshine kid, the car windshield kid, the guy walking around selling cell phone minutes (or car chargers), the cabby trying to get a little more, the restaurants, the hotels, the chicas, etc - they think that if you can afford to travel to the DR, then you have a lot of money - so they do not think much about trying to get a little more from you.  They do not even think that you may have had to save up your money for 6 months or a year just to be able to take this vacation.
    Sometimes you can haggle and get a good price - but it becomes contentious, then many times it is better to just settle up and move on, especially if only over 500 pesos.

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    « Reply #18 on: July 19, 2012, 08:51:21 PM »
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  • My first time in Sosua two girls tried to jack the price.  I said n and showed the door.  One other time a fine chica whose photo I posted here charged me 1500 for tln.  She was new to the game.  When her buddy found out what she charged she came back and tried to get more.  It was kind of funny.  I should not have answered the door.  Most of the girls are scared of the police.  They constantly harass them.  If you can build a repore with the girls there are few problems. I go all out vibrators lube you name it I have fun with them.  you have learn how to pick good girls it is an art.








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    Actually I kind of disagree with some of the answers to this.  I expected people to say "Just pay" or "Let it go" or "It's not worth it".

    I would contend that: YES IT IS.

    My scenerio is that you refuse to pay.  My idea is that we get stolen from because WE LET THEM STEAL!!!!!!!!!

    Stop doing this.  What is the recourse?  Are you going to jail?  NO.  Are you gonna get jacked by someone? Probably NOT.  Not trying to get anyone hurt, but if they steal a little from everyone it's a lot.

    My question is that: What happens if you say NO????

    I have been lucky to have never been in this situation.

    But - this is second hand info so take it as that.  One guy told me that he was involved in this situation.  He refused to pay the addition 600 pesos.  The PN (the cops) were brought around.  He was not threatened with being arrested, but the PN basically said "Give me 400 pesos" - he then gave the chica 200 pesos and kept 200 pesos and told everyone to go away.  And then it was over.

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