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Shadow's guide to writing a good trip report
« on: September 06, 2014, 04:11:04 PM »
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  • There's a lot of latitude in the way that a good trip report can be written, but there's a huge percentage of people that write poor trip reports (ISG is particularly bad for this). Mostly that's because people forget what brought them to the website in question in the first place, or because a lack of breadth of experience hasn't yet taught them what the priorities should be or what content is the most valuable in a trip report. Every single person on this and every other monger forum in existence first came to said forum for a reason. The reason was to get more information about a destination, whatever that destination might be, and to find out what they needed to know to successfully navigate the geographical, logistical, financial and criminal/mental/emotional obstacles of each place in order to have a richer experience.  I'm gonna talk about it a bit, and it may be long winded, so I apologize in advance. What I'm writing about applies to all monger venues, and all monger boards, not just to this board, and not just to the DR, where especially in Sosua the focus can be narrower. If you already know everything then you can skip right over this. If you're like me and you continue to try to learn stuff all the time then benefit from my experience, in much the same way that I continue to benefit from guys who know more than I do. There's lots of beginners here, so hopefully the investment of a few minutes will help all of us.

    In life, there are certain priorities. You must breathe and your heart must beat, you must have air and water, then food, then shelter. Once you have those things then you can concentrate on padding out your life with luxuries and filling the spaces with the non-essential things that turn pure survival into a pleasant life. Mongering is the same way. Every single monger I know has had the following experience, without exception: You're interested in going to a monger destination, you go to a new site, and you start looking for information. You find out the site is full of guys who know each other, banter about stuff, make jokes etc, but you don't care about that. You want information. They use local abbreviations you don't understand. They make references to things that you have to read entire sites to understand. They post things that don't help you with even the most basic enquiries you have, or because they're so basic no one has bothered to update information for years. In short, you're looking for air and water but the site members are talking about silk throw cushions. Information is scattered and hard to find, because there's so much more commentary then there is information, which is what you came looking for in the first place. It's frustrating and incredibly time consuming

    OK, so many people incorrectly assume that a trip report is about sharing the story of your trip with your brother mongers. The fact of the matter is that it doesn't really matter what you did or whether you had fun or not. We all hope you had fun, but it's irrelevant to our primary (air and water) goals. Bear with me, a minute. I'm not really as fun hating as I sound here.
     
    The main purpose of a trip report is to share actionable information with your brothers, things that they can take and use on their own trips. Every monger leverages their information onto the information of others and creates a greater and clearer picture of the venue with every report posted. The purpose of a monger board is to provide a gathering site where that information can be centralized and shared. If you're not doing that then you're not doing it right. Now, lest you all think I'm taking all of the fun out of this let me carry on and say that the artistry of writing a good trip report is to make it entertaining as well as informative. Your air & water purpose in writing a trip report is to share what you learned on your latest trip, be it prices, locations, how-to's, things to be aware of, dangers, benefits etc. Once you've got the air and water out of the way then you have room for silk throw pillows like photos, details of sexual encounters, general impressions, reviews of girls (in compounds this might be air and water information) etc etc. A great many reports go straight to the silk throw pillows without first providing the necessities of mongering life.

    OK, so you got the info out of the way, does that mean you can't have fun too? Of course not! Tell stories, glorify a fat ass, share your pics and flesh out the report so that it's not just a chore either to write or to read. Good trip reports are hard work, so there should be a reward at the end for everyone involved.

    Ok, so having said all of this, here's some pointers (Call it Shadow's 10 pointers) to writing a good trip report:

    1) Don't be embarassed about mistakes. We've all made tons of them and everyone will admit to (at least some) of them. Be honest, be frank, and you will both help newbies avoid the same mistakes and allow the more experienced people an opportunity to provide input that will ultimately be helpful to everyone who reads the report in preventing them from making the same mistakes. Small mistakes are inevitable, but hopefully newbies can be saved from the world shattering ones that are trip ending, marriage ending, or end up with the monger in jail or the hospital, for example. Small ones avoided boost the relative level of expertise too.Think of it like golf. People that shoot 120 have no problem dropping 10 strokes off their game if they take a couple of lessons. Guys who shoot 70's struggle to make incremental improvements of a stroke or two, but it's all an advancement in learning. Learning from mistakes is much more important than celebrating the triumphs. Don't be afraid to share, and if we snicker occasionally it's only because we've made that same mistake ourselves.

    2) Assume that the person reading your report knows nothing. This is extremely hard to do, because some things just flow automatically and it's hard to take a step back and read your own material that way, but try. The people with the biggest incremental learning jumps are the beginners who know nothing. Let's make it as easy as we can for them. Bear in mind that when I say beginners I don't just mean new mongers, but might also mean an experienced monger entering a new destination. Mongering cultures vary as widely as the number of places there are to visit.

    3) Think about your trip in segments, and then think about what you did and what you learned in each segment. Many useful bits of information that you take for granted are nuggets of gold for the reader. Methods of finding a taxi, costs of transport or food, Club entry costs, little short cuts, opportunities and dangers etc,etc.. What did you get? What did you spend? How does something work? What did you learn that could be useful to someone that has never been there or done that? Write that down

    4) Be careful to distinguish between what you know and what you've heard. Hearsay and rumour are rampant in the mongering world. If you don't know it for sure then say so, and identify it as rumour. Everybody hates to cross town to get to a venue only to find out that it's been closed for three months or hasn't even opened yet, as an example. Trafficking in rumours about girls or fellow mongers is a sure way to trouble as well. If it's not fact verifiable by you as fact then don't pass it off as fact.

    5) A trip report is not one continuous unbroken paragraph. Nothing is less pleasant to read than a rambling paragraph with no end. Separate your ideas. We'll all thank you.

    6) Organize your thoughts. If you have trouble doing this then take notes as you go along on your trip. Some guys keep short diaries or notes just to remind them what they did day to day.Too much back and forth can make following a report difficult and can make the context of the information you share difficult to understand or even contradictory. I do this sometimes because my nights can tend to blur sometimes. Details can be lost and I like to drink, so... Whatever helps you.

    7) Photos. This is a contentious subject, insofar as whether certain girls should be posted or not, promises kept, etc. I won't get into that. What I will say is post whatever you feel comfortable posting in the way of girls photos, BUT, photos of girls are the silk throw pillows again, unless you're doing a girl review. We all love to see photos of good looking girls, but often people omit photos of things that would be more useful to more mongers over the long run. In Latin America things can be hard to find and identify. Massage parlours may just be an open doorway with no signage, for example. Referring back to #3, consider whether a photo of something in that segment might be useful to someone who has never been there and done that before. This could be showing what an MP looks like, what different hotel rooms look like, what bar owners/managers look like, or even what girls look like under certain circumstances. People new to a venue or city are most grateful for these kinds of photos above all others. If you have this covered then add whatever else you want to that you think is fun or interesting or tasty looking (for the food photographers) and that you want to include to flesh out your report

    8) Prices. If you haven't already gathered it from your reading, everybody wants to know what the prices for P4P  are, or the cost of hotels, or meals, taxis or transfers, basic services, etc.  Prices change all the time, so you can keep updating prices all the time, and it will continue to be useful, even if someone else has already done so. You'll be confirming prices, comparing prices, or exposing gringo pricing or great deals. Pricing info is always useful.

    9) Share impressions and opinions. We all realize this is subjective, but it helps paint a picture if you talk about atmosphere, service, comfort or lack of, potential time needed to do things, etc.

    10) Make a note of services, like ATMs, cash changers, pharmacies, chica friendly hotels, taxis, bus stops, restaurants, supermarkets. Where useful provide addresses and phone numbers if you have them. To the best of your ability explain not just what things are, but how they work. This is incredibly useful for people in a new culture trying to learn a new system. Public transportation is often the trickiest aspect of arriving at a new destination, so pay particular attention to this. 

    If I'm making this sound like you need to write a book then let me say to you that that's not the case. I'm suggesting things in each area that if you have access to then you can add. I wouldn't expect everyone to put everything in all the time. I'm suggesting only that you be aware of what can be helpful to others, and I'm leaving the artistry you use to put it all together up to you, as well as what level of detail you want to go into. What I am saying is that if all you're doing is writing a diary of how you picked up this chick and screwed her, and she came, and then the next noght you picked up another chick, and you fucked her, and came on her face, then you're basically wasting everyone's time. While there is a value in adding entertainment to a trip report, and all trip reports should be fun, remember the prime directive! Air and water before silk throw pillows. Be a brother, and help your brothers out.

    Happy mongering!

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    « Last Edit: September 06, 2014, 07:28:33 PM by shadowman »

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    Re: Shadow's guide to writing a good trip report
    « Reply #1 on: September 06, 2014, 04:59:07 PM »
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  • Good info, I'll try to remember some of this while writing the report for my upcoming trip.

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    Re: Shadow's guide to writing a good trip report
    « Reply #2 on: September 06, 2014, 05:08:34 PM »
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  • Good solid advice. There are a few (very few) posters on here that I simply refuse to read or comment on because they are mostly pure bullshit. Perhaps this is what prompted Shadowman to offer this "good" post.

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    Re: Shadow's guide to writing a good trip report
    « Reply #3 on: September 06, 2014, 05:13:50 PM »
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  • I see some good bits of information in here, but also some shortcomings. I enjoy reading about the adventures and misadventures of other mongers. The fact is if we all only reported information about prices and where to go, the forum would have died awhile ago. Since most of these locations are negotiable priced type cultures, the prices will always change person to person but really stay in the same area. With the two overwhelmingly main destinations for this forum are BB's and FOD, all trip reports would be the exact same if we stuck to only helpful information. It is easy to find on her how to contact either resort. We know the standard prices at each are 1600 st, 3000 ton and 6000 for 24 hours... Of course these are negotiable, but not by very much. It is easy to find all the basic information about these places and all would be so boring if we just regurgitated this same info again and again.

    Now I do agree that helpful information should be given in every report, and they should be written as if the reader is a newbie that has never been to the subject destination. But it must also be remembered that not all readers are newbies and would enjoy a little more from a trip report. I do love to hear about the fun and it gives me more ideas than just a list of prices and hotels.

    In summary, I agree with much of your suggestions, but I hope everyone remembers to keep the flair, feelings and adventures in their reports. If not, this site could be just a list of prices and locations that is updated as much as possible instead of the living community of mongers it currently is.

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    Re: Shadow's guide to writing a good trip report
    « Reply #4 on: September 06, 2014, 07:02:30 PM »
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  • Phoenix, you misread what I wrote, or misinterpreted what I wrote, or both. I said specificially to add in the adventures and such. I just said don' t neglect the information while writing the entertainment. Also, even with venues as limited and restrictive as FOD or BB there is turnover of girls and changes in prices/rules/atmosphere. Again,  I mentioned specifically that the focus in Sosua can be quite a bit narrower, and I referred to the compounds in specific as well. Most importantly I pointed out that these were general guidelines for trip reports on any board and throughout the world, not just on this board, and if this board is to evolve and to grow it will need to spread out into these markets and expand the focus and interests of its members or remain a site for the compound newbie. CEO seems to have taken some definite steps to increase the range of the site and I hope it succeeds, The site will be far more interesting once it expands beyond its current set of boraders, which I'm sure you'll agree since you travel to other venues as well.

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    Re: Shadow's guide to writing a good trip report
    « Reply #5 on: September 06, 2014, 07:47:57 PM »
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  • Yeah shadowman I understand where you're coming from, and I always much prefer robust well rounded reports rather than exaggerated tabloid sleaze. Problem with the sleazy reports are you know most of it is bullshit and to me at least it's wrong and unethical to pass that off as factual info especially on monger boards

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    Re: Shadow's guide to writing a good trip report
    « Reply #6 on: September 06, 2014, 08:00:45 PM »
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  • I have no problem with sleazy reports. I only have a problem with a report if that's all it has to offer. I love a good sleazy story or a funny anecdote. I also understand that we remember things the way we want to remember them and so am prepared to accept a certain level of bullshit with good grace too. There is a definite perception here that I don't want reports to be fun or to incorporate all the fluffy stories and the girls and such.  That's absolutely not the case.  I want the reports to be fun and to have adventures and miadventures and laughs etc. That's where the artistry comes in. I just also want that fun and artistry to be built on a foundation of something useful, which is the expectation of most of the good monger boards on the net. If you want to add some BS into your stories for artistic license than that's fine. There's some obvious BS fantasy story tellers out there, but again that's neither here nor there as long as the actionable information is good. Fill yer boots!

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    Re: Shadow's guide to writing a good trip report
    « Reply #7 on: September 07, 2014, 04:41:16 PM »
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    Most importantly I pointed out that these were general guidelines for trip reports on any board and throughout the world, not just on this board, and if this board is to evolve and to grow it will need to spread out into these markets and expand the focus and interests of its members or remain a site for the compound newbie. CEO seems to have taken some definite steps to increase the range of the site and I hope it succeeds, The site will be far more interesting once it expands beyond its current set of boraders, which I'm sure you'll agree since you travel to other venues as well.

    I agree with this. I like this board better than the others.  I think that unlike other boards there's a sense of maturity here.  The members here seem to be a bit more experienced in the do's and dont's than the other forums.  I try to bring some perspective but I think guys are either too timid or fear risk of getting slammed for doing something different.

    Case in point:  Tomorrow I'm going to TAV(Tropical Adult Vacations in Boca Chica).  TAV is an advertiser on this forum and brings value to the monger game.  Unfortunately, I may not offer a trip report upon my return because my impression is that nobody cares about venues outside of Sosua/BB's/FOD.   I could go into great detail on how TAV is vastly superior to FOD and BB's in a myriad of ways, especially for the monger who is looking for something different, namely GFE (girlfriend experience).  As far as I'm aware only me and a couple of members have been there.  It's hard to explain a place like that if dudes are only interested in sport-fucking.  In my 8 day trip I'll probably fuck about 10-12 different women at most.  Each woman is with me for the entire day with a couple of threesomes thrown in.  I'll go out with them to dinner, excursions and all the romantic kissy-kissy shit that guys can never get from the ladies at BB/FOD.  The price is included.  They don't ask me for money and there is no daily/hourly limit to my leche.

    Are most guys interested?...Not really, no.

    There's no drama to trips like that.  No intrigue.  No "leche papi" bullshit.  No cops are called.  No misunderstandings.  No salacious details.  No "bait-switch."  No Western Union requests.  No robberies.  No antics with management, etc.  Mongers for some reason have an aversion to all-inclusives EVEN if that AI has exactly what they want while demanding that the compounds deliver the GFE business model!

    Because of this there's no story which means no trip report of interest to anyone.  If this forum is going to branch out we will need to include places like TAV, Jamaica, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, PI, Pattaya, Panama, Brazil and other pay-for-pussy locales.  I don't like to complain about FOD/BB's/Sosua because I've had some great times.  I just take my money elsewhere to locations that "get it."  I and probably many other members would love to give honest, good reports but who cares when all that's discussed is the tried and true Sosua/BB's/FOD?

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    Re: Shadow's guide to writing a good trip report
    « Reply #8 on: September 07, 2014, 05:48:46 PM »
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  • Shadow, great summary to writing a good trip report. This site is trying it's best to expand beyond the DR especially BB/FOD.  It has the most info there because that is where it started.  We need any and all reports from various places in the world. Jett, we need your report on TAV! We not only need reports anywhere in the world, but your home cities as well.  For example I made up reports on the scene in Dallas, TX, as well as my vacation spots of Tijuana, New Orleans and Las Vegas. This site is all about sharing info with each other and we want to expand!  :fuckbanana:
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    Re: Shadow's guide to writing a good trip report
    « Reply #9 on: September 07, 2014, 10:08:06 PM »
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  • Jett,

     I would love to hear about TAV.  One of the reasons I have not tried it is because I do not know enough about it, so your insight would be very helpful.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 08, 2014, 12:58:09 PM »
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    Jett,

     I would love to hear about TAV.  One of the reasons I have not tried it is because I do not know enough about it, so your insight would be very helpful.
    I'd like to know how much TAV costs. It sounds great but if it is too expensive then BB may be the better option.

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    « Reply #11 on: September 08, 2014, 01:08:59 PM »
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  • Shadow


    good guidelines for writing a trip report, I often forget that they are many newbies not familiar with the situation in Sosua.

    Trip reports have been few and far between lately, at this point any new report and information is greatly appreciated

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    good guidelines for writing a trip report, I often forget that they are many newbies not familiar with the situation in Sosua.

    Trip reports have been few and far between lately, at this point any new report and information is greatly appreciated

    Roamer


    I've noticed alot of takers and not enough givers lately.  This one guy pm'd asked me to call him then asked like a million questions on AC and even for my girls digits, then refuse to put up a report on here or the other site we share.  These sites are fast becoming the giving tree

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    « Reply #13 on: September 09, 2014, 06:57:43 AM »
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  • Ewe

    I know there are many members of the board taking trips, but few reports.  I for one have learned a great deal from reading other member reports.  I know not everyone takes pictures which is alright, however I would believe everyone can find a hour after their trip to share there experiences they had, what they found out about there travels, hotels, inter-action with the local, Food, money exchanges, and of course the chicas.

    But I'm singing to the choir, hopefully the lurkers will start sharing.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 10, 2014, 08:25:35 PM »
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  • All true guys, and updating information is always good. In addition, any information not tied to Sosua expands the circle as well. I can appreciate that there's only so much that you can continue to say about FOD or BB etc. but even in Sosua every new opportunity to talk about even little things like new massage parlours, restaurants, bars etc expands the knowledge circle to everyone who reads this site. Some of the more adventurous might go to local bars where deals might be had or new experiences await. Info on new reliable drivers is always useful. Travel deals is useful. Where to exchange cash. Where to eat. Places to buy cheap meds. late night liquor stores. ATM withdrawal limits (which vary widely). Hints like buying your tourist card online. Best places to rent scooters or motorcycles. Places to do laundry.  etc etc etc just to name a few

    The list of things that can be useful to a fellow monger is almost endless, but because some things are so commonplace a lot of guys don't think to mention them when there's a long list of guys trying to find simple everyday services. In Sosua everything is contained but even in a destination as simple and as newbie friendly as Sosua there's still room for useful guidance to the boys in the band. Guys who are embarassed about being scammed would be doing everyone a service is they explained how, and saved others from the same scam or even hurt the scammer by exposing them.

    I find that there is a tendency to get bogged down in the rut of only talking about chicas, when chicas are by far the most easily replaceable resource available. Chicas are easy to find. Some of the other shit requires searching and effort.

    Lurkers lurk, and don't always contribute, and that's a fact, but on this site in order to lurk at least you need to pay into the maintenance of the site with a fast pass, so that's something. Newbies that lurk learn without being able to contribute sometimes because they haven't gone anywhere yet. If you foster a culture where people contribute regularly, and their contributions are both valued and valuable, then more lurkers will post too. It's a bit like filling up the dance floor at the high school dance. Traffic begets more traffic.

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    Re: Shadow's guide to writing a good trip report
    « Reply #15 on: September 16, 2014, 09:40:27 PM »
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  • Jett - I would love to hear about TAV

    Shit actually i want to learn more about everything else and not about BB or FOD because i think everyone here would love to soar their oats and take trips outside these places so we need members to share everywhere they go and not just bb and fod so please share!!!!

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