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Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
« on: February 16, 2015, 12:11:27 AM »
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  • We’ve all heard the concept that “You can’t turn a Hoe into a Housewife”. We’ve all heard the horror stories of guys getting scammed and taken advantage of. Yet guys continue to break this simple rule. I’m sure most of them are smart enough to know the risks they are taking, yet they all get burned in the end. We sit back and laugh thinking what the hell are you thinking.

    I had an epiphany the other day based on a situation I witnessed that I thought wouldn’t have been possible. I now understand how these guys can trick themselves into thinking that their girl is different.

    Devina (FOD)……My perception of this girl was that she was an angel. She was sweet and innocent and very GFE. I was disappointed to learn that she was no longer at FOD on my recent trip. After much searching I lucked out and found a girl that was friends with her and arranged for her to meet me at FOD. She was still the sweet girl we all knew. Talking to her, we learned she hadn’t been working for the last 4 months. I recall her telling me she was the sole provider for her family, so I had my suspicions she had a Dominican boyfriend or sugar daddy arrangement. I was shocked to learn at the end of my trip that she married a foreigner. I didn’t believe the guy telling me this. I had to show him pictures to confirm we were talking about the same girl. He had met them on the beach one day. Confirmed they were married. Yet the girl I thought wouldn’t be capable of this, had no problem coming to FOD to see myself, Husker and Ralphie.

    I now understand how these guys convince themselves that these girls are the exception. I believed the rule, yet I thought she was the exception. Looking back, I knew nothing about this girl. Over my last 2 trips we interacted maybe 10 hours. Yet she treated me better than any girlfriend I had. She was seductive and sexy in the bedroom. Had a very healthy sexual appetite. My lust for her clouded my judgement. I’m sure every bad story we hear starts the same way. If I was 60 years old, retired and living in the DR I wouldn’t have thought twice about taking her away and “saving her”.

    So I was thinking why these girls aren’t happy with what they have. They have a foreign boyfriend/husband willing to provide for them and their family. Take them away from a brothel. Why would they risk it all for a small payday……After much thought, I think I’ve figured it out.

    Let me know what you think of my theory, I welcome all comments or contradictions.

    For every girl that enters this industry, there’s 100, 500, maybe even a 1000 that are in the exact same situation that choose not to enter the industry. So what characteristic do they share? I believe they are all opportunists. They see their friends lifting themselves out of poverty and have all the fancy clothes/shoes/money that comes with their choice. And they make the same choice for the opportunities this new lifestyle will present them.

    Their culture is very based on one’s image. If you ever look through there facebook pictures you will notice a similar theme. They all have the same pictures. Photos with bottles of rum, nice furniture, sitting in cars, fancy hair and clothes. One girl was even pointing to a fire extinguisher. The purpose of these pictures is to present an image to their friends and family of the lifestyle they now live. It’s almost like a competition to see who can have the nicest shit.

    Unfortunately as opportunists they will never be satisfied with what they have. They will always be looking to increase their image with new clothes, shoes, furniture, appliances, and vehicles. No matter what we are willing to give them, it will never be enough. And that my friends is my theory as to why a hoe can’t be turned into a housewife.

    Note: By no means do I judge these girls for trying to better themselves. Simple amenities like clean water, mattresses and non-leaking roofs are luxuries many wouldn’t have if they hadn’t chosen this lifestyle. In addition, I would like to think many guys treat them well, but unfortunately there are always an asshole or 2 that probably abuses them. They live a hard life that most probably will never come close to understanding.

    Is love possible in the DR. Absolutely, but that girl won’t be found at FOD, BB or the streets of Sosua.

    Let me know what you think of my theory, right/wrong or am I just bat shit crazy.


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    Re: Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
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  • What are you looking for exactly johnny love or resort boom boom?  If its love then no you want find it in the hoes, could be wrong.  I like to see guys be completely honest here and forget your site status rep and tell if you married a resort girl or not and how did it workout for you.....

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    Re: Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
    « Reply #2 on: February 16, 2015, 07:39:48 AM »
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  • Don`t exclude the fact devina`s husband may well be fully aware or even directing her activites.I went on a shopping trip in Puerto Plata with my girl from FOD,her brother and sister-in-law,and her brother(who spoke perfect english) chatted with me exactly as if I was his sisters husband.We even went off and had a beer while the girls shopped.Prostitution is culturally accepted as a way of life here-thats why I LOVE the Dominican.I first had this drilled into my head on my very first trip to BB in 2011. My very first TLN and we had had a late nite of drinking at the Crowsnest before crashing. We slept late and suddenly she just jumped out of bed screaming "mi epousa"! and then just threw her cloths on and ran out the door. At that time, my Spanish was exactly "0" and I had no idea what "epousa" meant. When I got down to the dining room a little later I found Christal(mamasan) and asked her what the fuck happened. She just laughed and said my girl`s husband had come to pick her up and she was over an hour late!

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    Re: Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
    « Reply #3 on: February 16, 2015, 08:06:11 AM »
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    What are you looking for exactly johnny love or resort boom boom?  If its love then no you want find it in the hoes, could be wrong.  I like to see guys be completely honest here and forget your site status rep and tell if you married a resort girl or not and how did it workout for you.....
    i think johnny was sharing his observations of how things work in the DR , the game the girls run, as being on iftc he has read of all the shams, aware, and sidesteps them

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    Re: Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
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    What are you looking for exactly johnny love or resort boom boom?  If its love then no you want find it in the hoes, could be wrong.  I like to see guys be completely honest here and forget your site status rep and tell if you married a resort girl or not and how did it workout for you.....
    i think johnny was sharing his observations of how things work in the DR , the game the girls run, as being on iftc he has read of all the shams, aware, and sidesteps them

    No I agree with Johnny I'm just curious with why the fascination of hoes getting married to gringos. He sure isn't the first to start a thread about this. I mean sure I point that out sometime most notably how awkward it look when is an really old geezer and a young girl get married but many of the General public would notice the same.  What I don't understand is the fascination of these girls personal lives beyond what they are willing to offer us during paid sessions.  Maybe some of us are looking for more than a fantasy but are too scare to talk about it?

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    Re: Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
    « Reply #5 on: February 16, 2015, 09:01:24 AM »
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    What are you looking for exactly johnny love or resort boom boom?  If its love then no you want find it in the hoes, could be wrong.  I like to see guys be completely honest here and forget your site status rep and tell if you married a resort girl or not and how did it workout for you.....
    i think johnny was sharing his observations of how things work in the DR , the game the girls run, as being on iftc he has read of all the shams, aware, and sidesteps them

    No I agree with Johnny I'm just curious with why the fascination of hoes getting married to gringos. He sure isn't the first to start a thread about this. I mean sure I point that out sometime most notably how awkward it look when is an really old geezer and a young girl get married but many of the General public would notice the same.  What I don't understand is the fascination of these girls personal lives beyond what they are willing to offer us during paid sessions.  Maybe some of us are looking for more than a fantasy but are too scare to talk about it?
    I think a lot of it isnt necessarily a fascination ewe, maybe more shock?  these girls run game, are not ashamed of it, dont make a huge huge effort to hide it not to mention they put it all out there via social media that is all interconnected down there in the most insane way.

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    Re: Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
    « Reply #6 on: February 16, 2015, 09:09:01 AM »
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  • I think your analysis is spot on Johnny.  Personally I know two chicas who are in a "relationship" which involves receiving regular "stipends" from their foreign boyfriend/husband to keep them out of the game.  I assure you these two will see me (or probably anyone) if the $$ is right.  And yes, I do believe it is about the material things because the stipend usually only takes care of living expenses.

    Someone ought to track the most recent ones to see where they are in a couple of years!

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    Re: Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
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  • Yeah... But why be shocked I mean isn't p4p esstentially girls running a game for profit?  If you let them expand beyond the bed room ie take her out shopping, buying shit for her family then coming back and calling that Gfe or I got to be a hero for any hour.  Are you really shock that these girls will take that further with someone else?  My Dr buddy told me a long time ago you will know when the girls really consider you a boyfriend is when they start giving you a piece of their money from tricks.  But I've got no interest in finding out if that's true lol
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    Yeah... But why be shocked I mean isn't p4p esstentially girls running a game for profit?  If you let them expand beyond the bed room ie take her out shopping, buying shit for her family then coming back and calling that Gfe or I got to be a hero for any hour.  Are you really shock that these girls will take that further with someone else?  My Dr buddy told me a long time ago you will know when the girls really consider you a boyfriend is when they start giving you a piece of their money from tricks.  But I've got no interest in finding out if that's true lol
    i keep it simple.   i pay them to leave.  occasionally i might take one along to dinner if i am bored.  might share a snack or some chocolate but that is it.

    i dont care what they do at home, dont care the last time they been banged, just care about what they do while in the room with me.  actuallly, i dont want to know.  it all comes down to it is none of my business and is simply clutter that can mess with a lot of guys heads.

    pay them to leave.  very simple

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    Yeah... But why be shocked I mean isn't p4p esstentially girls running a game for profit?  If you let them expand beyond the bed room ie take her out shopping, buying shit for her family then coming back and calling that Gfe or I got to be a hero for any hour.  Are you really shock that these girls will take that further with someone else?  My Dr buddy told me a long time ago you will know when the girls really consider you a boyfriend is when they start giving you a piece of their money from tricks.  But I've got no interest in finding out if that's true lol
    i keep it simple.   i pay them to leave.  occasionally i might take one along to dinner if i am bored.  might share a snack or some chocolate but that is it.

    i dont care what they do at home, dont care the last time they been banged, just care about what they do while in the room with me.  actuallly, i dont want to know.  it all comes down to it is none of my business and is simply clutter that can mess with a lot of guys heads.

    pay them to leave.  very simple

    Haha yeah I was a slow learner on that but up to speed now

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    Re: Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
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  • I have only been at this for one year and I have nearly a dozen trips under my belt in that short period of time (so you can say that I've taken a liking to this sort of thing ;) ).

    As spectatular a time as I've had with many of these young ladies I have yet to feel any emotion for them more than 10 minutes after a leche.

    That isn't to say that I don't think of them as human beings...I have empathy for them and wish them well, of course.

    But as far as "falling" for any of these putas?

    I simply don't get how ANY guy could do that. I would find it hard to fall for a "normal" girl who didn't turn tricks who I may have met online or at the Malecon due to age and cultural differences so falling in love with a chick who has the remnants of 5 or 6 guys jizz in her teeth? No.

    But that is me...any guy who has found true love with one of these chicas shouldn't be judged, I guess, because to each his own. However, I'd love to understand the compartmentalization that one would need to engage in to feel that your foreign and aged love is more powerful than a steady stream of pesos for laying on one's back and pretending to have an orgasm several times per day.
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    Re: Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
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  • Ewe

    I just returned from the IFTC Party of the Year. I met two guys at FOD that I happened to have met on my previous trip a year ago. I believe both are members on this site so I'll keep their stories vague as there not mine to share. Both guys live fulltime in the DR. There stories sparked my fascination on the subject.

    1 guy was engaged to a FOD chica but recently broke it off.  His words were that she got greedy. He is now engaged to another FOD chica. One of the nicest guys you will ever meet. I honestly hope it works out for him.

    The 2nd guy had a FOD chica leave FOD and move in with him. She than demanded a car for herself. She's currently back at FOD.

    We've all heard these stories before but I haven't seen an analysis on why the guys do it and why the chicas are'nt happy with it.

    I never understood how not only these guys but every guy that goes to the DR and gets burned rationalized their decisions. Until, I did exactly what I assume they did. I made an exception. I was clouded by lust. I thought this girl was different. I thought she was wife material. When I found out she was married, I realized how naive I was for allowing myself to be seduced. My only experience with this girl was a TLN last year and a ST this year. I wasn't in love with her. I was just shocked as how easily I convinced myself she was different than the rest.

    I've never sent girls money. I've never wifed a girl up for longer than 24hrs. Im not looking for love. I actually enjoy the variety. However, when I'm 60 maybe I'll be ready to settle down. I'm sure there's lots of guys down there that don't want to sport fuck. They'd be happy with spending their time with 1 girl. We all go to the DR for our own reasons, and I won't judge anyone for doing what makes them happy.

    My goal of this post was to help others understand how we rationalize our perception of these girls. Also to better understand how the girls perceive your relationship.

    If I can save 1 guy some heartache and cash, mission completed.





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    I just returned from the IFTC Party of the Year. I met two guys at FOD that I happened to have met on my previous trip a year ago. I believe both are members on this site so I'll keep their stories vague as there not mine to share. Both guys live fulltime in the DR. There stories sparked my fascination on the subject.

    1 guy was engaged to a FOD chica but recently broke it off.  His words were that she got greedy. He is now engaged to another FOD chica. One of the nicest guys you will ever meet. I honestly hope it works out for him.

    The 2nd guy had a FOD chica leave FOD and move in with him. She than demanded a car for herself. She's currently back at FOD.

    We've all heard these stories before but I haven't seen an analysis on why the guys do it and why the chicas are'nt happy with it.

    I never understood how not only these guys but every guy that goes to the DR and gets burned rationalized their decisions. Until, I did exactly what I assume they did. I made an exception. I was clouded by lust. I thought this girl was different. I thought she was wife material. When I found out she was married, I realized how naive I was for allowing myself to be seduced. My only experience with this girl was a TLN last year and a ST this year. I wasn't in love with her. I was just shocked as how easily I convinced myself she was different than the rest.

    I've never sent girls money. I've never wifed a girl up for longer than 24hrs. Im not looking for love. I actually enjoy the variety. However, when I'm 60 maybe I'll be ready to settle down. I'm sure there's lots of guys down there that don't want to sport fuck. They'd be happy with spending their time with 1 girl. We all go to the DR for our own reasons, and I won't judge anyone for doing what makes them happy.

    My goal of this post was to help others understand how we rationalize our perception of these girls. Also to better understand how the girls perceive your relationship.

    If I can save 1 guy some heartache and cash, mission completed.

    I'm just going to LOL and post this  :tongue: :tongue: - and that's it LOL!!! - Johnny unfortunately the minority here, that being those guys who actually do go the distance will never listen to you - even if he has an inclination of trying it he has already made up his mind - I don't know how many girls off various sites that are in relationships with gringos that I have fucked - you see the pics you see the post, at that point I don't care or I don't ask - I just go with business as usually - and try and get the ass - i'm sure they will get it after being burned, but just the sheer thought of trying it - no thank you - them hoes too fucken greedy for me. - hopefully you get through to someone!
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    What are you looking for exactly johnny love or resort boom boom?  If its love then no you want find it in the hoes, could be wrong.  I like to see guys be completely honest here and forget your site status rep and tell if you married a resort girl or not and how did it workout for you.....
    i think johnny was sharing his observations of how things work in the DR , the game the girls run, as being on iftc he has read of all the shams, aware, and sidesteps them

    No I agree with Johnny I'm just curious with why the fascination of hoes getting married to gringos. He sure isn't the first to start a thread about this. I mean sure I point that out sometime most notably how awkward it look when is an really old geezer and a young girl get married but many of the General public would notice the same.  What I don't understand is the fascination of these girls personal lives beyond what they are willing to offer us during paid sessions.  Maybe some of us are looking for more than a fantasy but are too scare to talk about it?

    Ewe - its not really a fascination as much as it is an financial opportunity, its the opportunity to (not sell as much ass, because she still gonna) - but she can now be choosy and hell even for a month or two she will stop and prove that she is a worthy chica to be married - but it doesn't last/work unless your ass is going to live there and hold ties to her 24/7 - there must be some trusting motherfuckers in this world, hell I don't trust girls here where I live, more less going to trust one of them hoes with the opportunity to call me (husband LOL) - we ALL know there is no love there - so like johnny said homie said before, she got greedy - she was only in it for the $$$ - once those $$$ turn into $ only then there is a problem - unfortunately it will never stop as I keep seeing people get married and i love you and whoever are the guys spreading roses on the BB beds spelling I love you lmao! OMG fucken idiots - but to each their own, it just amazes me the perception these guys give these girls and expectations they have in their minds.

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    I just returned from the IFTC Party of the Year. I met two guys at FOD that I happened to have met on my previous trip a year ago. I believe both are members on this site so I'll keep their stories vague as there not mine to share. Both guys live fulltime in the DR. There stories sparked my fascination on the subject.

    1 guy was engaged to a FOD chica but recently broke it off.  His words were that she got greedy. He is now engaged to another FOD chica. One of the nicest guys you will ever meet. I honestly hope it works out for him.

    The 2nd guy had a FOD chica leave FOD and move in with him. She than demanded a car for herself. She's currently back at FOD.

    We've all heard these stories before but I haven't seen an analysis on why the guys do it and why the chicas are'nt happy with it.

    I never understood how not only these guys but every guy that goes to the DR and gets burned rationalized their decisions. Until, I did exactly what I assume they did. I made an exception. I was clouded by lust. I thought this girl was different. I thought she was wife material. When I found out she was married, I realized how naive I was for allowing myself to be seduced. My only experience with this girl was a TLN last year and a ST this year. I wasn't in love with her. I was just shocked as how easily I convinced myself she was different than the rest.

    I've never sent girls money. I've never wifed a girl up for longer than 24hrs. Im not looking for love. I actually enjoy the variety. However, when I'm 60 maybe I'll be ready to settle down. I'm sure there's lots of guys down there that don't want to sport fuck. They'd be happy with spending their time with 1 girl. We all go to the DR for our own reasons, and I won't judge anyone for doing what makes them happy.

    My goal of this post was to help others understand how we rationalize our perception of these girls. Also to better understand how the girls perceive your relationship.

    If I can save 1 guy some heartache and cash, mission completed.
    johnny, if u read what you posted there, it looks like the two members you talked to were running the game, not the chicas.  when it came down to them putting the cash out, they chose to put the trash out instead.

    as for how some mongers can let the love thing get pulled over them is easy to explain.

    they know all the pitfalls of playing the love game, they know the money games and lies the chicas come up with and would be the first to tell another monger when he saw them going left of center.  the thing is, it is "different" with them.  they know the game, but it is different.   it all comes down to the chica had the better game.  when u see the monger sending bucks down while she is out banging others, well, her game was better than the mongers. 



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  • Johnny, I think these girls,especially those that have been in the game for a while, are just as cynical about "LOVE" as many mongers that are divorced or who have been "burned" by love in some other way here in sex prison North America. Have you ever wondered about the very high percentage of girls in the business that "become" bi-sexual over time? They find a sort of "love" with each other-someone they can trust more than the average monger while they play the game and rake in the cash. Its all a game-just roll with it.Who needs a housewife anyway these days-they cost a lot to keep and if you really crave "love"-get a dog!

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  • and the kicker to all of this is the "location, location, location" you met these broads at - lets face it - not all DR girls are selling pussy quite a few but nothing is 100% - now if you can find that one who is willing to actually try and be something good for you - you got lucky and spent time to go find her - but when you trying to make a BB or FOD chica your #1 pride and joy lover girl - give me a got damn break what the hell do you expect - you met her at a whore house - those odds are drastic like 2% chance of success LOL IMHO! - and i say 2 because I know one BB girl who got this guy and she actually fucken stopped (well with me) hahahaha - if anyone else I don't really know hence my 2% lol

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    Re: Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
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  • Nice topic Johnny3cd! I too was shocked about what i heard about Devina.  To me, she was an "angel" working to support her family. I've probably had more sessions with her the last couple years of anyone from IFTC ( except for her Hubby. LOL) She was just a sweetheart, always very giving, little material possessions as she did not even have a phone my last 2 trips there to FOD.  She even took care of me last trip when I got sick the last day or so.  I paid her good for sessions, but she never asked for anything from me.  I pulled her in twice this last trip.  Same very GFE sessions as usual.  Asked why she quit FOD, and she said Pedros daughter.  I said why not go to BB, and she replied no mas.  She told me she would see me at FOD but never at BB.
    She told me her father brought her to FOD on a moto my 2 sessions there.  My last session, she had been in the hospital the night before with kidney stones and still came in to see me.  Her side was swollen and she showed me the IV mark.  Anyway, same very GFE session, but when I finished, she was in a hurry to leave as she just put on her clothes without showering.  Hugged and she left.  Afterwards, is when Johnny3cd told me about her esposa. I really believe it now as someone gave her a cheap smartphone.  She had not posted on her FB in over a year.  As soon as I got home, I noticed she pulled her FB page. Luckily for Johnny & I, we dd not fall for her. But Johnny3cd just posted this as a warning for any suckers among us, that might think, she's the one. Even the sweet innocent chicas are out to get our leche and most of all our money. LOL
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  • I was just at FOD for the POTY, and some of the guys would give me some good natured teasing about Maria being my wife, because I spent a lot of time hanging with her, and now that I'm home she text me on whatsapp several times a day.  But I have no illusions about what we are to each other,  I like fucking her because she is down for everything.  Do I like her as a person?, yes.  Would I ever send her money or consider making her my wife? hell no.

    Besides someone beat her to the punch......my real wife.  who has not worked for 10 years, sleeps in a separate bedroom, and fucks me once or twice a year. so the word love does not compute for me.

    I enjoy hanging with chicas at FOD and even talking with them when I'm home, playing text tag, but at least in my case I can separate fantasy from reality. 

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    Nice topic Johnny3cd! I too was shocked about what i heard about Devina.  To me, she was an "angel" working to support her family. I've probably had more sessions with her the last couple years of anyone from IFTC ( except for her Hubby. LOL) She was just a sweetheart, always very giving, little material possessions as she did not even have a phone my last 2 trips there to FOD.  She even took care of me last trip when I got sick the last day or so.  I paid her good for sessions, but she never asked for anything from me.  I pulled her in twice this last trip.  Same very GFE sessions as usual.  Asked why she quit FOD, and she said Pedros daughter.  I said why not go to BB, and she replied no mas.  She told me she would see me at FOD but never at BB.
    She told me her father brought her to FOD on a moto my 2 sessions there.  My last session, she had been in the hospital the night before with kidney stones and still came in to see me.  Her side was swollen and she showed me the IV mark.  Anyway, same very GFE session, but when I finished, she was in a hurry to leave as she just put on her clothes without showering.  Hugged and she left.  Afterwards, is when Johnny3cd told me about her esposa. I really believe it now as someone gave her a cheap smartphone.  She had not posted on her FB in over a year.  As soon as I got home, I noticed she pulled her FB page. Luckily for Johnny & I, we dd not fall for her. But Johnny3cd just posted this as a warning for any suckers among us, that might think, she's the one. Even the sweet innocent chicas are out to get our leche and most of all our money. LOL

    Exactly, my hope was this post would be a warning for the beginners like myself. I'm by no means an expert. I've had 4 trips in the last 3 years. Still lots to learn. Luckily, I found this forum before I started and my mistakes have only costed me a few hundred pesos each time. Its easy for the experienced to say "don't do it" my goal was to try and explain the thought process of justifying "doing it" so if they found themselves in the same situation they might remember this post.

    I was shocked at how easily I allowed myself to think of her deferently. My theory was that what I did was exactly what the guys whos had a horror story did. I threw rationale out the window for a girl who was sweet and flashed me a smile. I'm actually slightly sickened at how easily I manipulated myself.

    Regarding the 2 guys I mentioned. I know from speaking from them they wanted relationships. However, they also understood the risks/game and came out likely unscathed. However theses likely a lot of guys out there that unfortunately arn't educated and have invested alot of cash/time/emotion before they realized the truth.

    I think we can all agree this forum is difinitly biased. Its a sport fucking forum. Some guys don't want to bang 2 girls a day and come home to an empty house. There looking for someone to spend there time with, cuddle up watching movies, etc. Its their retirement, I'm not going to judge them for how they want to experience it.

    My intent was to educate beginners that if you are looking for GF, you need to change your hunting grounds.

    P.S. I appreciate the confidientiality Husker, but I have no problem admiting I gave her the phone. It was a nexus 4, 2 models outdated, sitting in my closet for 2 years. It was worth maybe a case a beer in Canada. And the effort it would of taken to sell a 2 year old phone for a case of beer was not worth it for me. I figured she would benefit alot more with this phone that I every could. I won't lie, I had hoped I might get a few sexy photos sent everyonce in awhile. ;D

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    Re: Why you can't turn a hoe into a housewife
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  • This is becoming a very insightful and informative thread.  I'd like to weigh in with a few comments of my own.  I admit that one of my favorite things besides mongering is hearing the tales of woe from other men who get involved with these ladies.  It's the same story all over the world fellas.  Thailand, DR, Costa Rica, Panama and on and on and on.  All of these spots have one thing in common: a woman or several women that will "get" to you.  I've been mongering now for about 4 years or so.  I haven't been a victim and I never will.  I'm very introspective and realized that if I was to ever get in the mongering game I had to have the right mindset.  The truth is that in order to not be taken for a ride by a chica or caught up in the WU novio scenario you must know yourself well.  Mongering takes maturity, self-awareness and acceptance of who you are as a man.

    What could a Dominicana offer a man who has no need other than the desire for a sexual encounter?  I simply don't understand how so many men could form an attachment bond with a woman who does not know YOUR language, YOUR culture, and YOUR hearts desire.  There's a sickness in men, perhaps it's biological that demands that we must find a vagina to shackle our lives to.  So many men go to the DR simply as empty vessels who lack the proper self-esteem and foundation to have a healthy relationship with another person.  The money sent, the pictures, the love letter emails and so on are nothing more than temporary missives for a love that you as a man want so much to exist; but doesn't.  She cannot love you.  She cannot care for you as you do for her.  It will never be an equal relationship and besides the sexual tension there is little if anything there.  You want it to be because you hate that fact that your life is...empty.  The quiet moments in your mind scares you.  So it's off to the DR with passport in hand.

    We joke about it but the truth is this shits gotta stop.  As beautiful as these women are I could not imagine keeping in contact with them except for my next visit.  It's time for guys to wake up and become comfortable in their own skin.  "She made me a meal, she did my laundry!"  So what?  Make your own goddamn meal and do your own damn laundry.  Take care and love yourself first and the temptation to have a 22 year old, materialistic, lazy puta, will not hold sway over you. 

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    This is becoming a very insightful and informative thread.  I'd like to weigh in with a few comments of my own.  I admit that one of my favorite things besides mongering is hearing the tales of woe from other men who get involved with these ladies.  It's the same story all over the world fellas.  Thailand, DR, Costa Rica, Panama and on and on and on.  All of these spots have one thing in common: a woman or several women that will "get" to you.  I've been mongering now for about 4 years or so.  I haven't been a victim and I never will.  I'm very introspective and realized that if I was to ever get in the mongering game I had to have the right mindset.  The truth is that in order to not be taken for a ride by a chica or caught up in the WU novio scenario you must know yourself well.  Mongering takes maturity, self-awareness and acceptance of who you are as a man.

    What could a Dominicana offer a man who has no need other than the desire for a sexual encounter?  I simply don't understand how so many men could form an attachment bond with a woman who does not know YOUR language, YOUR culture, and YOUR hearts desire.  There's a sickness in men, perhaps it's biological that demands that we must find a vagina to shackle our lives to.  So many men go to the DR simply as empty vessels who lack the proper self-esteem and foundation to have a healthy relationship with another person.  The money sent, the pictures, the love letter emails and so on are nothing more than temporary missives for a love that you as a man want so much to exist; but doesn't.  She cannot love you.  She cannot care for you as you do for her.  It will never be an equal relationship and besides the sexual tension there is little if anything there.  You want it to be because you hate that fact that your life is...empty.  The quiet moments in your mind scares you.  So it's off to the DR with passport in hand.

    We joke about it but the truth is this shits gotta stop.  As beautiful as these women are I could not imagine keeping in contact with them except for my next visit.  It's time for guys to wake up and become comfortable in their own skin.  "She made me a meal, she did my laundry!"  So what?  Make your own goddamn meal and do your own damn laundry.  Take care and love yourself first and the temptation to have a 22 year old, materialistic, lazy puta, will not hold sway over you. 

    EVER.
    I know Johnny started this thread to educate the newbies, but this shit also happens to seasoned vets, who know better.  Some of you might have even seen the photos of a guy proposing to a chica in classicos, down on one knee and all.  If you have spent your entire life in the U.S., (can't speak for Canada), there is really no way to mentally prepare yourself for the game some of these chicas will throw at you.  This  game does not exist here in the US for most of us.  These girls know how to boost a man ego into the stratosphere, and have him believing he really is the shit.  I wont lie I have had to check myself on more that one occasion, and even PM other board members to snap me back into reality when something new was thrown at me that I wasn't prepared for.  I guess it's working, I have yet to send any chica WU money.  I have received two RFM's (request for money) from current and former FOD chicas. Now when they tell me their problems, I tell them mine, and mine are 5 times bigger, complete with pictures. lol

    I've posted this link before, but it never gets old to me, I know its just a movie, but It can happen just this fast in real life for some, if your not ready for it.

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  • Good point Mike.

    We've been ingrained from an early childhood that monogamy is required and being promiscuous is taboo.

    We are basically setup to fail in this hobby, as our instincts and culture put us in an vulnerable position with girls that understand our faults better than we do.

    As much as we enjoy this hobby, the majority of us are limited to 2 or 3 trips a year. It would appear to be an awesome situation to retire in the DR with an abundance of cheap pussy. Though we fail to understand the disadvantages. Its got to get pretty lonely after awhile. They drown themselves in numerous women to fill the gap but spend their nights alone. The lucky ones find a network of like minded individuals to fill that gap. The other ones eventually turn to the chicas looking for a relationship. Unfortunately, their expectations from a western culture differ greatly from what the girls are willing to provide. This is a culture, as noted above, that accepts/requires a girl to provide for the family through sexual services. Infidelity in their eyes isn't a big deal, where its a complete deal breaker for a foreigner.

    The foreigner expects the girl to change her ways. While we expect the foreigner to smarten up. Neither will likely change their ways as it was the way they were raised. A good metaphor would be a racist. They were raised to believe a certain way. No matter how much education, rehabilitation, or consequences they face, how often do you see them change their beliefs?

    I made a critical error in my first post. I assumed love was available in the DR. I was insinuating looking for educated women. I failed to realize though that these girls wouldn't have the incentive to date someone twice their age. They have the ability to provide for their family through normal means. Likely find an educated Dominican husband. Thus the women that have the incentive to marry a foreigner due to financial hardships are the very women we need to be wary of. Kind of depressing now that I think about it.

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    Good point Mike.

    We've been ingrained from an early childhood that monogamy is required and being promiscuous is taboo.

    We are basically setup to fail in this hobby, as our instincts and culture put us in an vulnerable position with girls that understand our faults better than we do.

    As much as we enjoy this hobby, the majority of us are limited to 2 or 3 trips a year. It would appear to be an awesome situation to retire in the DR with an abundance of cheap pussy. Though we fail to understand the disadvantages. Its got to get pretty lonely after awhile. They drown themselves in numerous women to fill the gap but spend their nights alone. The lucky ones find a network of like minded individuals to fill that gap. The other ones eventually turn to the chicas looking for a relationship. Unfortunately, their expectations from a western culture differ greatly from what the girls are willing to provide. This is a culture, as noted above, that accepts/requires a girl to provide for the family through sexual services. Infidelity in their eyes isn't a big deal, where its a complete deal breaker for a foreigner.

    The foreigner expects the girl to change her ways. While we expect the foreigner to smarten up. Neither will likely change their ways as it was the way they were raised. A good metaphor would be a racist. They were raised to believe a certain way. No matter how much education, rehabilitation, or consequences they face, how often do you see them change their beliefs?

    I made a critical error in my first post. I assumed love was available in the DR. I was insinuating looking for educated women. I failed to realize though that these girls wouldn't have the incentive to date someone twice their age. They have the ability to provide for their family through normal means. Likely find an educated Dominican husband. Thus the women that have the incentive to marry a foreigner due to financial hardships are the very women we need to be wary of. Kind of depressing now that I think about it.
    I'd encourage any guy in this situation to check out the Philippines. The Filipino culture seems to accept the older foreigner who can provide for the family. And as a sign of that acceptance, Filipinas are EXTREMELY loyal to their man. Except for some hardcore bargirls most Filipinas would be appalled at the idea of cheating on their man and would demand the same from their husbands/ boyfriends (even though, like in the DR, it is a Man's Country governed by Man Rules).

    I haven't experienced this first hand (yet) but almost every story I've read and almost every Filipina/Western dude couple I've ever met would support this.

    Couple this with the fact that English is spoken widely and Filipinos love, love, love American/Western culture.

    The one thing that stood out during my first visit to PI after several visits to the DR was that the women lacked that mercenary look in their eyes. Even the most tactical Filipina I met seemed as innocent as Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz compared to the vipers I encountered in Sosua.

    I may get a chance to retire in less than a decade and though I've given the DR some thought I may make my second home in the Philippines instead.
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